Comments on: THE REAL CASUALTY COUNT IN IRAQ http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/ FROM THE EVERYDAY . . . TO THE SLIGHTLY OUTRAGEOUS . . . TO THE EVERLASTING . . . WE COVER IT HERE! Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:54:35 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: The Choice Is Mine http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-2645 The Choice Is Mine Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:30:13 +0000 http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/#comment-2645 Well, to use a well known law, "what you resist, persists". So if we want the troops home as soon as possible, we have to be FOR peace, FOR conclusion. And as long as we have a "war on terror", not only will there be terror, but it will increase. A war on terror puts all of our creative energy on creating...... Terror! It will never go away if we are creatively continuing to create it by having a war on it. So in conjunction with another comment to another post, this is the experience we collectively needed so we could discover how we could be love. If we look at this current situation (Iraq and terror) unconditionally (no judgment, blame guilt or shame), we can move through this much more quickly and not have to continue to repeat the experience. Well, to use a well known law, “what you resist, persists”. So if we want the troops home as soon as possible, we have to be FOR peace, FOR conclusion. And as long as we have a “war on terror”, not only will there be terror, but it will increase. A war on terror puts all of our creative energy on creating…… Terror! It will never go away if we are creatively continuing to create it by having a war on it. So in conjunction with another comment to another post, this is the experience we collectively needed so we could discover how we could be love. If we look at this current situation (Iraq and terror) unconditionally (no judgment, blame guilt or shame), we can move through this much more quickly and not have to continue to repeat the experience.

]]> By: Corinne http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-2504 Corinne Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:28:27 +0000 http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/#comment-2504 Thanks, Mark - I appreciate your comments. We are all united on one thing. Let's get our people home as soon as possible! We will keep in touch. I am impressed with your blog. Warm regards - Corinne Thanks, Mark -

I appreciate your comments. We are all united on one thing. Let’s get our people home as soon as possible!

We will keep in touch. I am impressed with your blog.

Warm regards -

Corinne

]]> By: Mark Krusen http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-2503 Mark Krusen Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:52:16 +0000 http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/#comment-2503 Corinne, I agree with most of what you have said,I don't want to get you angry at me by continuing the discussion beyond your intended path. But I must say. To pull out of the war before the victory is won does a disservice to the families of the fallen. That's all. Nothing more, Nothing less.I've reread your post again and you have taken your stand quite clearly. I would like to also take my stand quite clearly. When the jobs done. We'll come home. Not before! Corinne, I agree with most of what you have said,I don’t want to get you angry at me by continuing the discussion beyond your intended path. But I must say. To pull out of the war before the victory is won does a disservice to the families of the fallen. That’s all. Nothing more, Nothing less.I’ve reread your post again and you have taken your stand quite clearly. I would like to also take my stand quite clearly. When the jobs done. We’ll come home. Not before!

]]> By: Corinne http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-2502 Corinne Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:34:39 +0000 http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/#comment-2502 <p>Dear Mark -</p> <p>Thanks for your comment. As far as engaging - what is there for me - or, with apologies, for you - to say? There are more than enough discussions on every TV station and newpaper in the country. There is little to add here.</p> <p>What I was focusing on in this article was not on the dead. They, hopefully, are at peace somewhere in the great beyond.</p> <p>But their loved ones will suffer their whole lives and should be counted among the casualties. </p> <p>This tribal warfare has been going on for centuries. I believe in an orderly but sooner than later withdrawal of our US Forces.</p> <p>That's it. I don't think WE can solve this. But perhaps some of the Middle Eastern neighbors can help. They understand it better than we do.</p> Dear Mark -

Thanks for your comment. As far as engaging – what is there for me – or, with apologies, for you – to say? There are more than enough discussions on every TV station and newpaper in the country. There is little to add here.

What I was focusing on in this article was not on the dead. They, hopefully, are at peace somewhere in the great beyond.

But their loved ones will suffer their whole lives and should be counted among the casualties.

This tribal warfare has been going on for centuries. I believe in an orderly but sooner than later withdrawal of our US Forces.

That’s it. I don’t think WE can solve this. But perhaps some of the Middle Eastern neighbors can help. They understand it better than we do.

]]> By: Mark http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-2486 Mark Wed, 02 Apr 2008 05:04:01 +0000 http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/#comment-2486 It's interesting to me that when people bring up a subject they expect answers or comments to the post. When a comment doesn't agree with the position they've taken,Then all of the sudden no one wants to "engage." If you don't want to "engage" then don't Post. I'm justa saying! It’s interesting to me that when people bring up a subject they expect answers or comments to the post. When a comment doesn’t agree with the position they’ve taken,Then all of the sudden no one wants to “engage.” If you don’t want to “engage” then don’t Post. I’m justa saying!

]]> By: Corinne http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-2485 Corinne Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:46:40 +0000 http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/#comment-2485 Dear Mark - Went over to http://www.tomstine.com and read your discourse - This is how he answered you - "Yes, my friend, we may disagree, but, and I don’t mean this flippantly, but so what? We disagree. I disagree with lots of people on lots of issues. And none of that changes the real core of what we are here to do and what we are. I can happily have a profound level of disagreement with someone and yet still call them a friend. I don’t want to sound like I’m copping-out, but I won’t debate with you on the history of how we got to where we are in Iraq, why we are there, etc. To be honest, that doesn’t serve much point. An old friend taught me a lesson many years ago that still applies to so much in life. It is an economic principle called “sunk costs.” Basically, everything that you’ve done, spent, used, etc., up until now is irrelevant. The only question is “what is the best choice now?” BIG QUESTION! ANY GOOD ANSWERS HERE? Dear Mark -

Went over to http://www.tomstine.com and read your discourse -

This is how he answered you -

“Yes, my friend, we may disagree, but, and I don’t mean this flippantly, but so what? We disagree. I disagree with lots of people on lots of issues. And none of that changes the real core of what we are here to do and what we are. I can happily have a profound level of disagreement with someone and yet still call them a friend.

I don’t want to sound like I’m copping-out, but I won’t debate with you on the history of how we got to where we are in Iraq, why we are there, etc. To be honest, that doesn’t serve much point. An old friend taught me a lesson many years ago that still applies to so much in life. It is an economic principle called “sunk costs.” Basically, everything that you’ve done, spent, used, etc., up until now is irrelevant. The only question is “what is the best choice now?”

BIG QUESTION! ANY GOOD ANSWERS HERE?

]]> By: Mark Krusen http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-2473 Mark Krusen Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:02:12 +0000 http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/#comment-2473 We had an interesting discussion on this subject on Tom Stine's blog. I won't repeat my argument here. I agree with Birney. Let's end the war the right way. Let's stamp out terrorism over there so we don't have to fight the battles over in our streets. We didn't attack Osama remember. We had an interesting discussion on this subject on Tom Stine’s blog. I won’t repeat my argument here. I agree with Birney. Let’s end the war the right way. Let’s stamp out terrorism over there so we don’t have to fight the battles over in our streets. We didn’t attack Osama remember.

]]> By: Corinne http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-2468 Corinne Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:19:05 +0000 http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/#comment-2468 Dear Sherrie at On Being the Change I Wish To See - Thanks for adding your comment. Everyone's viewpoint is welcome here. I knew that your heart is in the kindest and rightest place when I read your article - http://beingthechangeiwishtosee.com/22/how-you-can-support-our-troops/ Everyone should read it. Dear Sherrie at
On Being the Change I Wish To See -

Thanks for adding your comment. Everyone’s viewpoint is welcome here.

I knew that your heart is in the kindest and rightest place when I read your article -

http://beingthechangeiwishtosee.com/22/how-you-can-support-our-troops/

Everyone should read it.

]]> By: On Being the Change I Wish to See http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-2467 On Being the Change I Wish to See Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:56:28 +0000 http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/#comment-2467 I agree with Birney. I hate war, too, as do all soldiers. Just ask any of them. They'll be the first to tell you that. However, soldiers are not naive and know that war is sometimes necessary. It's complicated, and you can't just decide to pull troops out of everywhere. Peace doesn't work that way. Peace must be won or there will be no peace. The middle east is a particularly difficult place to wage peace. They've been at war more on than off for over 5000 years. When they bring their war onto our shores, which they did on 9/11/2001, we must respond with the might we are capable of wielding. Until we stop terrorism, there will not be peace in this world and it will only be a matter of time before more attacks take place inside the U.S. The military is an all-volunteer force. Those signing up know what they are signing up for. I would rather soldiers take their chances armed and trained against an enemy bent on killing as many of us as they can than a terrorist attack take the lives of 4000 civilians in one day on American soil. I know this comment will not be popular. But U.S. soldiers are in Iraq and Afghanistan for a reason. I agree with Birney. I hate war, too, as do all soldiers. Just ask any of them. They’ll be the first to tell you that.

However, soldiers are not naive and know that war is sometimes necessary. It’s complicated, and you can’t just decide to pull troops out of everywhere. Peace doesn’t work that way. Peace must be won or there will be no peace.

The middle east is a particularly difficult place to wage peace. They’ve been at war more on than off for over 5000 years.

When they bring their war onto our shores, which they did on 9/11/2001, we must respond with the might we are capable of wielding. Until we stop terrorism, there will not be peace in this world and it will only be a matter of time before more attacks take place inside the U.S.

The military is an all-volunteer force. Those signing up know what they are signing up for. I would rather soldiers take their chances armed and trained against an enemy bent on killing as many of us as they can than a terrorist attack take the lives of 4000 civilians in one day on American soil.

I know this comment will not be popular. But U.S. soldiers are in Iraq and Afghanistan for a reason.

]]> By: Corinne http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-2445 Corinne Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:07:09 +0000 http://www.personal-growth-with-corinne-edwards.com/the-real-casualty-count-in-iraq/#comment-2445 To all of you who left comments - Thanks for weighing in here - some wonderful thoughts on all sides. My main point in this article is that after a while we all get numb to the death totals - and as a mother who has lost a child, I cannot but bleed for the people back home. They are casualties as well. It looks like our only hope in Iraq is the meeting of minds in this tribal society. And in the cooperation of the other leaders in the Middle East in brokering some change. We can only hope, that whatever administration wins our next election, these missions will be accomplished. That will be victory to me. But it is very complicated to find peace in this situation. We can only hope for our children and grandchildren that someday we will live in a peaceful world. To all of you who left comments -

Thanks for weighing in here – some wonderful thoughts on all sides.

My main point in this article is that after a while we all get numb to the death totals – and as a mother who has lost a child, I cannot but bleed for the people back home. They are casualties as well.

It looks like our only hope in Iraq is the meeting of minds in this tribal society. And in the cooperation of the other leaders in the Middle East in brokering some change.

We can only hope, that whatever administration wins our next election, these missions will be accomplished.

That will be victory to me. But it is very complicated to find peace in this situation.

We can only hope for our children and grandchildren that someday we will live in a peaceful world.

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